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Comment made by J&G Admin on 2009-10-30 09:06:14
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We welcome all comments, however offensive or off-topic comments will be deleted. The comments are of our site visitors and are not affiliated with J&G Sales.
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Comment made by Chris on 2009-10-30 09:44:28
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What about the mags....
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Comment made by uriah on 2009-10-30 10:34:12
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gold is the best investment because guns can be taken away. no compensation. gold cannot be taken away. and if needed can buy guns.
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Comment made by Grantman on 2009-10-30 11:37:09
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The Obama plan is working, market above 10,000, GDP up for the first time in a year. So I say buy stocks. Buy low sell high.
Guns are good too since Obama is not going to touch gun legislation.
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Comment made by Boethius on 2009-10-30 12:14:15
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Actually gold was taken away and private ownership of gold was banned from WW2 through the 1970s.
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Comment made by Prepared on 2009-10-30 13:14:42
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This is a toss-up. A gun is no good if you don't have ammo, Ammo is no good if you don't have a gun, government is making gold, silver, bonds and yes the US dollar worth less by the day. Other is my choice it represents food. Yes the gun and ammo can shoot me some food, but regardless I am covered because I have all the above.
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Comment made by MATT_AZ on 2009-10-30 13:34:10
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Pre 64 US coins....90% silver bought from coin shops with cash...no paper trail so the government cant come and take it, as they did previously with Gold. Ammo would be second choice, firearms third, gold fourth....then some well picked stocks would be next followed lastly by Dollars....which is in the process of collapse.
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Comment made by OBAMA HATES OUR 2ND AMENDMENT on 2009-10-30 14:37:35
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1st gold 2nd guns because everyday you hear of Eric Holder obamas right hand man is comeing up off new ways to take our guns away and our freedom but this country is wakeing up and stoping this happen.Thanks to J&G for our 1st amenment.DEO VINDICE
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Comment made by Bubba on 2009-10-30 15:02:12
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If by investment you mean capital appreciation, probably stocks. Even an average person can buy a mutual fund and stocks do appreciate steadily over time (the past year being a notable exception). If you mean investing for self defense or survival in the event of social upheaval, guns and ammunation hands down. Bubba likes all three.
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Comment made by Brett on 2009-10-30 15:34:25
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Well, personally I'm well stocked so gold would be my choice. FYI: Obama doesn't need to pass gun legislation. He only needs to regulate them so it's not worth keeping them. One example might be the study by the NIH that rates the impact of legally owned firearms to the owner's health. "Oops! You own a gun? Well that will increase your health insurance premium by about 120%." Don't EVEN think they're not thinking it.
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Comment made by Patriot on 2009-10-30 16:02:16
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Storable food is numero uno. If you have any savings then purchase as much gold and silver as you can get. You need to physically hold the coins because if it's not in your possession, then you don't really own it! If you don't already own guns and plenty of ammo, nevermind the above because you don't have a prayer or a clue. Stuff money under your matress and it will sit there being rapidly devalued by the Fed printing greenbacks like there's no tomorrow, once hyper inflation comes around you've got a matress full of toilet paper. One more thing, if you still believe in the stock market then go ahead and fall for another sucker's ralley.
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Comment made by Dude on 2009-10-30 17:30:30
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Well, since I've had a variety of firearms and ammunition for some time, so I didn't do much to contribute during the "gun buy" since Obama's election.
Instead, I put several hundred bucks in the stock market, and have increased it 10 fold already (buy low, indeed...February was quite low). There's nothing wrong with buying guns, ammo, food and gold of course... Just don't delude yourself into thinking it will be a great financial investment. My best gun appreciation in 15 years has been about 20%. Ammo, maybe 100%. Food is negative and gold depends, but nothing drastic. Stocks, even with the problems of last year, have increased 400%+ in the past 15 years. You can argue about a failing economy all you want, but my mortgage payment can only be paid by dollars, and I've got to make sure I've got plenty of those around...
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Comment made by AK Lover on 2009-10-30 18:53:08
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Firearms... i dont think i need to explain that one.
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Comment made by AK Lover on 2009-10-30 18:57:27
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Firearms... i dont think i need to explain that one.
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Comment made by Amun on 2009-10-30 20:47:53
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Depends on what *kind* of investment...
Monetarily, Gold is not as trade-able as silver.
Ammo is better than firearms from a buisness standpoint because you can sell ammo to people that need it.
As an investiment in well being, though, your can't beat having a few or even one firearm, but it still needs ammo...
Stocks, bonds, etc... all nonsense numbers in hyperspace. They are not tangible things that exist. They are ideas that people sell to you if you're dumb enough to beleive you will always have them as a safety net.
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Comment made by dkeating on 2009-10-30 21:21:05
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the trick is in hedging your bets and having a bit of it all. Put all you money in gold..? Can't eat it can you.? Hungry..? I'll take a krugeraand for an MRE.
Prove that gold or silver is real--got anyone to assay it? You still have to convert it to dollars to make change knucklhead. Think it's going to go back to colonial days where coins were sawed down to make change? get real.
I ordered a 5000 rd box of .22 back in april for $199 and it was on backorder. The company honored the backorder at that price--now they want $257 for the same box. About a 25% difference. If you look at other outlets prices for .22 a 5000 rd box would be $465 or more. ($4.65 for a box of 50--do the math). Conversely we are seeing 9mm and .45 back at believeable prices. I paid $199 for 1000 rds of 7.62x39 recently. It was 379 at the height of obama-mania. I saw some moron at a gunshow pay $75 for a box of 357 mag!! $449 for a K-31 Schmidt nowadays? I bought mine for $129 about 3-4 years ago. The guy whos only seeing 20% uptick on the price of a gun isn't buying the right ones.
It's all good guys-- You should have 1. Some food & water 2.Guns & ammo 3. Invest in the country so it DOESN'T meltdown. 4. Keep some cash on hand.
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Comment made by Andy on 2009-10-30 22:08:05
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Firearms without ammo are useless, otherwise I would have voted for firearms.
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Comment made by Izrac on 2009-10-30 23:50:18
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Yes gold is a better investment but it can also be confiscated and was by Roosevelt I believe in 1933.
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Comment made by dario on 2009-10-31 01:45:16
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I think Ammo is a good investment. What good are guns with out it? Someone mentioned gold (they can't take it away from you. But, Franklin Roosevelt did JUST THAT during the 30's!)
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Comment made by Junior on 2009-10-31 08:18:15
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The hippie is right. Why, when I recently had a question about my North Carolina based satellite company's bill and called to ask the question, the lady I was talking to, was in New Delhi? It made me sick, and I could understand only about 60% of what she had to say. You need it all, guns, gold, cash, food, etc.
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Comment made by Dude on 2009-10-31 09:11:43
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Some of you really aren't helping dispel the myth that gun owners are paranoid. I mean, certainly we are all paranoid a bit, and a bit of paranoia is healthy...but claiming that dollars will actually completely lose their value, and that the U.S. is going to become a failed state is ludicrous.
Stocks and bank account balances aren't "intangible" and worthless. The truck and camper combo I recently bought couldn't be bought with food, or gold, or firearms. It required cash. Dollars.
Additionally, firearms really haven't gone up that much in value, except for that brief surge the first 8 months after the election. So a few specialty C&Rs have gone up, sure, but my ARs, AKs and handguns have only appreciated modestly.
Either way, consider having a little more faith in society. There is nothing wrong with "investing" in firearms, ammo, food, etc...but if you're completely unwilling to put some of that money into stocks or other "paper" investments, I'll be quite happy to buy some of your rifles or ammo in 10 years when you need to make ends meet.
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Comment made by magician on 2009-10-31 18:08:50
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the question isn't really valid. I tell my students to have 3 firearms.. a .223, a .308 and a 9mm. Even if the ammo dries up, you will be able to find those rounds on dead soldiers and cops.... if it gets that far! Also, ammo would be more of a currency then any other tangible, with the exception of a canned or dried food stock. Personal defense will be of the highest priority. I know in these areas I am well 'stocked'..... are you?
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Comment made by Joseph Noack on 2009-10-31 20:29:29
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gold has never lost value, can not be banned, is one of the rarest elements and is used for complex electronic components.
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Comment made by justin aks-74u krinkov lover on 2009-10-31 20:35:34
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people! just think our president is taking firearms away! thats a bad mistake not to vote for firearms i mean heck criminals won't turn in there guns to the police only true citizens will not criminals the people who can't be trusted gah! people without guns will die! im telling you i hear it everyday! love firearms don't hate them and only use them for emergencys or for outdoor shooting range sports only!
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Comment made by dkeating on 2009-10-31 21:01:03
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Justin..some localities..like NYC will vote their rights away due to being brainwashed that guns=terrorists and that there should be a cop at every mid-block fire hydrant. The democrats are not going to take the guns away--people will give them up locally. The dems know that gun control ushered in by them is political suicide.
Stop and think--the republicans controlled all 3 branches of government for 7 years and could over-ride any veto of Clintons since 1994...why was abortion still legal..? because the republicans know that if they made it illegal they would lose votes and energize the democratic base. A lot of people vote for republicans because they are anti abortion. Hey it's illegal--done deal --now comes the backlash. Kinda like what happened to Clinton in 94 after the AWB. The republicans are not stupid enough to make abortion illegal and the dems learned their lesson on over-reaching.
Simply put--you will be as unlikely to find an abortion clinic in Idaho or Kansas as you will a store that sells black guns in NY state...
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Comment made by Virginia Gentleman on 2009-11-01 07:04:02
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Whew - Firearms, Gold and Ammunition in a nearly dead-heat for first. All others a distant second.
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Comment made by Shane on 2009-11-01 11:29:10
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None of them. the price of guns, ammo, and gold will go down when the panic subsides, and the cash under the mattress wont keep up with inflation. Right now real estate because the prices are depressed right now. You will have to wait though because high unemployment will keep the prices down for a while.
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Comment made by Hawk Eye on 2009-11-01 11:50:13
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Your three best investments in order (in my opinion anyway)...
1. Guns & Ammo
2. Land
3. Gold, Silver, Platnum and/or diamonds
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Comment made by well on 2009-11-01 12:14:38
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What was most important during Katrina? Guns? Food? Booze? Money?Being in a home "not in the Superdome..." I would say now gold is a good investment... But, trade gold for a worthless dollar??? Yes, gold has been illegal to own before...
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Comment made by Karl Fox on 2009-11-01 12:34:42
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Did someone say obama isn't going to touch guns? uhhh ok. I'm about 100% sure that the plan is on his agenda and will happen. And just because it isn't happening in your home town, don't get comfortable, just ask California people along with many other states. He has too much to worry about right now with NO JOBS, and Economy problems, and hopefully he will stay busy with that until someone with a backbone and a TRUE AMERICAN becomes President. All it takes is for some wacko with an AK to shoot up a school somewhere and prices will go back up. Remember when you could go to the local Army Store, or even Roses, and buy M1 Garands, Sks's, M14's, along with every thing else for less than $100? And how many guns have you purchased 10 years ago have went down in price? None you say? Well then there's our answer. Gold? Come on we know better than that. It wasn't too long ago that it was $400 per oz. Now that it's almost $1000, sale it and dont buy unless it is back at it's old price. Also if you have a gun and ammo, you have peace of mind, food, protection, as well as something to sale for more than you paid. But I think if you do buy a gun, at least buy 1000 rds of ammo for it.
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Comment made by dkeating on 2009-11-01 13:33:38
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If some wacko shoots Obama or the idiots talking about "Obama Hunting tags" ( riiiight--just joking my @ss) don't STFU you can bet there just might be some more legislation coming our way. Obama has said time and again he feels it's up to the states to set their own laws regarding guns. California is not the nation...Schwatzenegger needs to walk the walk and be the governator that everyone foolishly thought he would be when they recalled Gray Davis. Now Arnie wants to ban TV's over 42" in size unless the manufacturers "go green". Yeah.. sounds like a real republican there...
The fact is that gun laws for the most part are MORE LENIENT--we can now take our concealed weapons into national parklands..here in AZ I can take my concealed piece into an establishment that serves food and liquor as long as I don't drink. None of the stringent gun control measurements like HR45 are making it out of committe.
I find it a bit of a joke that just a year ago many posters on this board would say that if you were not with the president (that they liked) you were with the terrorists and now people are basically talking sedition and wishing a presidential assasination and claiming to be "patriots". Look at yourselves some of you--disgraceful
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Comment made by Spudgun on 2009-11-01 15:23:24
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Ammo's a good investment, if you can exercise the self-restraint not to shoot it. C&R firearms that aren't getting built new are also good. With all of the ARs and AKs flooding the gun market, I imagine that demand will go down for them, at least a little bit.
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Comment made by Red Creek War Horse on 2009-11-01 17:37:58
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Initially, as TEOTWAWKI gets up to full speed, weapons/ammo/food will be have the highest barter value. Then silver and gold a few years later as local trade resumes. ALL governments throughout history have plundered their citizens/subjects wealth. Know the past, know the future.
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Comment made by GC813 on 2009-11-01 18:28:42
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guns are the best because they are the cheapest but can get you the most expensive things if needed
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Comment made by GC813 on 2009-11-01 18:29:18
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guns are the best because they are the cheapest but can get you the most expensive things if needed
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Comment made by todd on 2009-11-01 19:02:05
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IF YOU ALREADY HAVE A GOOD GUN, I WOULD BUY AMMO YOU WILL NEED IT TO SURVIVE
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Comment made by Bowman on 2009-11-01 19:13:34
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Ammo would getr my vote. The gov't has confinscated the public's gold before, and will again. Bonds will soon be the most hated of all investments. Certain stocks will perform well. Cash under the matress is the worse of the lot, as inflation will destroy it's purchasing power. TO the poster who said the Obama plan is working, market back above 10k, GDP up, YOU ARE A FOOL IF YOU BELIEVE ANY OF THAT. This time next year we will be deep into depression, when the next wave of bank write downs begin. The next one will make last years writedowns look like child's play.
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Comment made by Brett Hale on 2009-11-01 20:41:21
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When everything comes crashing down, and socialist want what you have to spread around to others who refuse to take care of themselves, guns without ammo are useless. Money will be almost useless. Probably the best bet would be to stock up on ammo, as well as keeping your weapons clean. Just a thought...
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Comment made by Eddie on 2009-11-01 23:03:03
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Ammo is your best bet. I feel you will be able to use ammo as a bartering agent if (assuming you are bartering with a gunowner) the economy goes bust. I have been starting to stock up on as much ammo as I can. As far as B.O. taking away guns, it may happen. Read the SALT l and SALT ll treaties from the '70's.
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Comment made by wb on 2009-11-02 07:33:33
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firearms ammo its a toss up. If i need gold or silver ill just take it.
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Comment made by Dan on 2009-11-02 10:21:11
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"At that time, a gun and a million dollars, the gun was worth more than a million dollars, because you could, at least, you could defend yourself with something."
- Frank Bleichman, Polish Jew who resisted the Nazis during WWII
Since most of us here already have guns, I voted for ammo.
If SHTF are you going to use the gold as a weapon and throw it at the bad guys? It can be pretty heavy. Maybe the paper money would be helpful for starting fires?
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Comment made by You decide on 2009-11-02 11:25:18
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Guns, ammo & food is a great investment, gold on the other hand is a commodity and with the world bank's controlling 90% of the worlds gold they could flood the market and gold could plummet back to 400.00 an oz over night. Government could also confiscate your gold like they did back in the great depression the only gold they cannot confiscate would be collector coins sure you pay more but it's yours, every time you purchase gold your information is put into a data base so the government is tracking who owns what, if they where to confiscate your gold and you think you can hide it you're probable looking at a $10,000 dollar fine for being in possession of illegally with holding gold...
Buy silver pre-1964 circulated coins by the bag easy to spend cheaper less hassle!
This is what I've researched, now please tear me up & tell me I'm wrong
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Comment made by burleyg on 2009-11-02 12:59:47
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GUNS, and ammo, preferably SABOT slugs... How are we going to stop the robot onslaught with gold or silver or cash, be reasonable I beg you
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Comment made by R.R. on 2009-11-02 15:56:10
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Re: "You Decide" - LOL!
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Comment made by @RR on 2009-11-02 16:22:18
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Nice rebuttal a democrat couldn't have said it any better than you, reminds me of Hillary cackling "lol" nothing of substance!
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Comment made by jordy on 2009-11-02 17:18:33
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First of all, nobody can take away our guns, from reading the comments here I know yall won't ever let that happen. Gold and all that other stuff can be taken away or loose value or somethin like that. Even without ammo guns value won't go down because you can sell em to people who will pay handsomely for them. Obama can't do anything but hope to try and keep the crime level down. My theory is give everyone an assault rifle and the crime rate will go down because everyone has as much firepower as everyone else. Don't worry yall, nobody can take em away
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Comment made by Dennis Neil on 2009-11-02 18:41:41
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Aria,
In case you didn't know the government of FDR did take our gold away, at least most of it except for 'collectible gold coins'; never underestimate what the government could and would do. As for me, give me a gun and, not that I would, I could take your gold!!
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Comment made by Bill Glendening on 2009-11-02 19:24:02
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Personally and maybe practically, 1st gold, 2nd silver, 3rd ammo, 4th guns. While I don't like that gold commercial, it is true, gold is generally the universal currency and is the best asset you can get, with silver close behind.
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Comment made by Alan in FL on 2009-11-02 19:45:37
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REAL ESTATE!!!
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Comment made by Possum Pete on 2009-11-02 20:22:37
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Yes, Real Estate. All the people sneeking across our borders need a place to live when they take our jobs that we don't want and the ones that we do also. God bless the U.S.A.
Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!
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Comment made by Conman on 2009-11-02 20:38:10
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As an "investment" I put good whiskey and cigarettes at the top of my list for when things so South!!!! Food, Ammo, and Guns next.
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Comment made by ArmYourself on 2009-11-02 20:52:11
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I have enough guns. I am investing in ammo because once you have two or three calibers, and are proficient at expedient repairs, ammunition is what you don't want to run out of. Having more than one of a specific firearm means you will not have to endure a mechanical failure - if it breaks, use it for parts. It's also a good idea to have a stock of small parts that wear out with use.
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Comment made by SquawPair Leather pants on 2009-11-02 21:54:52
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Grantman, whatever closet liberal. You've typed out your daily DNC talking points, now go back to watching your Che Guevara videos.
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Comment made by SquawPair Leather pants on 2009-11-02 21:57:23
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I always put guns first. Heck, you can get food with a gun if you have to...
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Comment made by Bullets on 2009-11-03 00:57:12
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How much is enough ammo? Hmmm for investment of course!
About investing in housing search "shadow inventory" for every 3 homes the bank has on the market/mls listing they're holding back 2 not on the market, price fixing or keeping their books in check, housing will continue to decline at a slower rate but either way it will be along time before housing is a good investment. Need to ask yourself can you hold on that long, dont even think of renting apartments are offering 100.00 move in with 3 months free rent!
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Comment made by on 2009-11-03 01:42:19
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The sky is falling!
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Comment made by Matt on 2009-11-03 08:58:42
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I said gold only because I took the question as a monetary investment. I would personally choose guns and ammo overall. I don't trust this government any more than I trust SEIU to handle my charitable donations. Oh wait, I forgot that the government already gives SEIU my money. I guess that proves my point! I just pray that America wakes up to everything before it is too late. Thank God for those who are standing up. GOD BLESS AMERICA
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Comment made by Cap & Trade on 2009-11-03 13:08:58
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Al Gore made that statement "The sky is falling" and got rich making people believe it!
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Comment made by I agree on 2009-11-03 13:22:40
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Oh wait, I forgot that the government already gives SEIU my money and SEIU funds ACORN, what a vicious corrupt Chicago style government we live in, its all about special interest groups and the democrats getting their hand outs, if you had enough money even the White House is for sale!
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Comment made by Dan on 2009-11-03 13:56:03
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Unfortunately the White House has been for sale to the highest bidder for quite a few years now.
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Comment made by jake on 2009-11-03 19:20:54
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I thunk gold and a combonation of guns are the best thing you can gotton to own.
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Comment made by Let There Be No Doubt! on 2009-11-04 07:51:20
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A gun without ammo is little more than a fancy stick!
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Comment made by Nevin on 2009-11-04 09:50:05
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I picked "other" because I think people should invest in Ipod USB docking connectors! You never can have enough of those ipod docking cables! Stock up before the revolution happens!..... (or at least before you leave your job... :-)
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Comment made by on 2009-11-04 12:31:47
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invest in large quantities of pharma
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Comment made by Jimmy on 2009-11-04 12:44:36
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hahaha, ipod connectors. That's genious. You really can't have enough of those
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Comment made by Gun owner on 2009-11-04 13:41:29
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without ammo what are the purpose of guns?
I belive when 2012 comnes around no one will care about gold or silver, it will be food,guns,ammo,water, and shelter. plain and simple
You can find guns, but finding ammo is harder. Stock up on ammo now!
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Comment made by Kevin on 2009-11-05 09:34:02
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Cats, lots and lots of cats.
Come the apocalypse, an army of cats will come in very useful.
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Comment made by on 2009-11-05 13:00:45
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Booze,pharma and street,cigarettes for the enslaved/addicted,gasoline for the roadwarriors.MRE,s by the hundred thousand,a large base of exploitable Refugee/Instant peasants-emergency food" Defcon 5" is a good training film along with "The Road" and "Panic in the year zero" AHH-BRAVE NEW WORLD that hath such Giants in it !
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Comment made by on 2009-11-05 13:02:01
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ELOI OR MORLOCK-ITS YOUR CHOICE
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Comment made by HYPERWRX on 2009-11-06 04:11:50
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I AM THE EXPERT HUNTER OF PREDATORS. JUST NEEDED TO MAKE SURE THE WORLD THINKS THAT FIRST. OK NOW TO TOPIC. CHOCOLATE AND PANTYHOSE IS WHAT IS THE BEST INVESTMENT TO ME ANYWAYS
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Comment made by No-Hoarder on 2009-11-06 10:46:35
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Ammo a good investment? A pox upon all you hoarders that make it difficult for shooters to obtain ammo. I pray speculators (you know who you are), get burned in the end.
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Comment made by No-Hoarder on 2009-11-06 10:46:58
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Ammo a good investment? A pox upon all you hoarders that make it difficult for shooters to obtain ammo. I pray speculators (you know who you are), get burned in the end.
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Comment made by dkeating on 2009-11-06 12:18:23
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to No-Hoarder--hear hear ! They are already getting burned--AK ammo back down to 199 for 1000rds from 379 at market high. Unfortunately we have a lot of people hoping that the country will fail or somehow meltdown in 2012. There's been democrats in office before guys and historically the stock market has done BETTER as well as job creation. Get a grip and snap out of it.
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Comment made by LJK on 2009-11-06 16:06:50
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Gold, silver and other PMs would have been a good investment a couple of years ago. They'll go a tad higher, but look for the bubble to pop once folks stop parking their money there. Once the real-estate market finally hits bottom, look for PMs to top out too. Stocks... depending upon the stock.. will have more of an up side. Guns (and ammo) as an investment is just laughable. At this point, guns are only worth what someone else is willing (or capable) of paying.
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